Living life out of sequence, with engagement and experience leader Grace Liaw | S2E11

A conversation all about doing things in a different way and order than you’re supposed to. Not doing what you’re told, leaning into life’s sudden twists and turns, feeling behind, and taking flight, all while figuring out adulting and navigating the complexity and expectations of cultural identity.
Living life out of sequence, with engagement and experience leader Grace Liaw | S2E11

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🎙 About the Episode

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Key Topics

  • Having a family at a young age and living life out of sequence with your career-focussed peers
  • Starting undergraduate studies at age 28 and catching up
  • Becoming a public school teacher and chafing against the system
  • Living and working in Shanghai, China as a Chinese-American
  • From educator to entrepreneur to engagement leader

Recorded 8 July 2022


🥣 Episode Digest

Grace's squiggly career

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🧶 The Red Thread

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Decisive moments

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Synthesising for strength

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How Grace likes to learn

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Reflections on practice

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🔊 Audio Highlights

Episode Appetiser - There should be no judgement on how people get to where they get to (46 sec)

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Grace explains what engagement is to a 10 year old (36 sec)

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The life changing learning experience Grace would gift someone (46 sec)

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Grace explains why curiosity constantly drives everything she does (32 sec)

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Anything that impacts one person, impacts everyone around you (24 sec)

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👤 About Grace Liaw

Grace Liaw is a connector, an educator, and a global citizen-in-progress.

Unlike most of her peers, Grace did not start her undergraduate studies until turning 28, when she began to pursue a degree in Human Ecology and Family Studies at Montclair State University. Finally fulfilling her dreams of being a teacher, Grace taught in New Jersey public schools for a couple of years and realized that public education was not for her. Later, she found herself living and working in Shanghai, China, for 6 years in various private schools. The experience of doing work, life, and family in a foreign land was absolutely transformative. Grace then pursued a Master of Education at Penn State for Curriculum and Instruction.

Now living in New York, Grace is designing and hosting events, creating experiences, and building relationships with global students at Quantic School of Business & Technology, a virtual business school. She is now able to tick all of the important boxes of connecting, educating, and becoming more culturally intelligent.

Grace hates and loves running, is a novice birder, and is obsessed with Canva. She is also excited to see what the second half of life has in store!

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Danu Poyner

Danu is the founder of Grokkist and host of the Still Curious Podcast. He lives in Auckland, New Zealand and has a career that has become more squiggly than a Norwegian fjord.